Comments on: HTML5 Versus Flash Versions http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2009/05/html5-versus-flash-versions/ Just an average guy trying to drink above average beer. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:10:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: wordpeace http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2009/05/html5-versus-flash-versions/comment-page-1/#comment-215316 wordpeace Sun, 09 May 2010 16:20:04 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=1854#comment-215316 word peace eh? I'm always pissed off when my nouns and adjectives are gaining up on my adverbs. we need a damn grammar treaty. word peace eh? I’m always pissed off when my nouns and adjectives are gaining up on my adverbs. we need a damn grammar treaty.

]]> By: nothingGrinder http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2009/05/html5-versus-flash-versions/comment-page-1/#comment-184487 nothingGrinder Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:31:59 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=1854#comment-184487 Apple has its own agenda in the HTML5 wars because it holds a patent to HTML5 tech. We wrote all about it here on “I’d rather be a Woz.”: http://blog.nothinggrinder.com/id-rather-be-a-woz Apple has its own agenda in the HTML5 wars because it holds a patent to HTML5 tech.

We wrote all about it here on “I’d rather be a Woz.”:
http://blog.nothinggrinder.com/id-rather-be-a-woz

]]> By: Chepech http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2009/05/html5-versus-flash-versions/comment-page-1/#comment-114040 Chepech Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:18:18 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=1854#comment-114040 is Flash dead?? With the Flex4 about to be released, I think we are seeing one of the brighter periods for flash. I would like to see some opensource alternative, but a real one. I don't think HTML5 is worth comparing it with flash. Canvas... well it works, but you have to see how slow it is in complex application to throw it away in a blink. Yeah I know JQuery / Prototype make the pain more endurable... but thats as far as they go. Flash = no Cross Borwser crap for the developer + GREAT look and smooth performance + Binary protocol transmition (AMF) + Cloud Appications (AIR) + ... do you really want me to go on? Besides Word Peace and the end of world hunger; OpenFlash is one of the 3 wishes I would ask =P is Flash dead??

With the Flex4 about to be released, I think we are seeing one of the brighter periods for flash.

I would like to see some opensource alternative, but a real one. I don’t think HTML5 is worth comparing it with flash. Canvas… well it works, but you have to see how slow it is in complex application to throw it away in a blink.

Yeah I know JQuery / Prototype make the pain more endurable… but thats as far as they go.

Flash = no Cross Borwser crap for the developer + GREAT look and smooth performance + Binary protocol transmition (AMF) + Cloud Appications (AIR) + … do you really want me to go on?

Besides Word Peace and the end of world hunger; OpenFlash is one of the 3 wishes I would ask =P

]]> By: Brian Ferris http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2009/05/html5-versus-flash-versions/comment-page-1/#comment-112980 Brian Ferris Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:08:08 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=1854#comment-112980 There has been much ado about HTML 5 replacing Flash. Typically, the people who talk about this have no experience with Flash, and thus no idea of what its truly capable of. I suspect that if they truly did, they likely would not be making such statements. Even where there is technological overlap between the two solutions, the Flash based solution is usually far more polished. Let's take an easy example: the new HTML 5 video and audio tags that grown men are weeping with joy over. You can do this in a browser natively-great!!! You don't need Flash!!! All the open-web zealots can get up and do the conga! Except, there's one problem. None of the browser vendors can agree on standard audio/video codecs. Welcome back, 1997! Yes, in order to make sure your audio/video tags work in all browsers (we're not even talking about browsers that don't support these tags) you'll need to encode your video/audio in different formats for each browser. (Either that, or you can encode in Flash video and it will work anywhere-you decide). Don't get me wrong-the HTML 5 spec is a step in the right direction, *but* it is only a step (and a baby step at that). The sad fact of the matter is that people are acting like the release of HTML 5 (now scheduled for 2022 according to the co-editor of the spec, Ian Hickson) is akin to the rapture being imminent not because its a vast improvement-but because its *any* improvement where HTML basically stagnated in the arms of the W3C for the past ten years. There has been much ado about HTML 5 replacing Flash. Typically, the people who talk about this have no experience with Flash, and thus no idea of what its truly capable of. I suspect that if they truly did, they likely would not be making such statements.

Even where there is technological overlap between the two solutions, the Flash based solution is usually far more polished. Let’s take an easy example: the new HTML 5 video and audio tags that grown men are weeping with joy over. You can do this in a browser natively-great!!! You don’t need Flash!!! All the open-web zealots can get up and do the conga! Except, there’s one problem. None of the browser vendors can agree on standard audio/video codecs. Welcome back, 1997! Yes, in order to make sure your audio/video tags work in all browsers (we’re not even talking about browsers that don’t support these tags) you’ll need to encode your video/audio in different formats for each browser. (Either that, or you can encode in Flash video and it will work anywhere-you decide).

Don’t get me wrong-the HTML 5 spec is a step in the right direction, *but* it is only a step (and a baby step at that). The sad fact of the matter is that people are acting like the release of HTML 5 (now scheduled for 2022 according to the co-editor of the spec, Ian Hickson) is akin to the rapture being imminent not because its a vast improvement-but because its *any* improvement where HTML basically stagnated in the arms of the W3C for the past ten years.

]]> By: leef http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2009/05/html5-versus-flash-versions/comment-page-1/#comment-101066 leef Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:01:29 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=1854#comment-101066 Is HTML5's drag&drop not referring to desktop drag to browser interaction? For dragging desktop files to the browser application for upload, or file-reading? That was my impression, and I don't believe flash player has this yet. Is HTML5′s drag&drop not referring to desktop drag to browser interaction? For dragging desktop files to the browser application for upload, or file-reading? That was my impression, and I don’t believe flash player has this yet.

]]> By: LQDstudios http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2009/05/html5-versus-flash-versions/comment-page-1/#comment-98668 LQDstudios Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:56:19 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=1854#comment-98668 One thing I really think has been over looked in every blog I have read so far... is what has HTML really done for us Web Designers but give us friken headaches. Cross-Browser Compatablity, recently I find myself building websites more and more with flash just to avoid having to write 8 different CSS files just to support 3 main browers and their previous versions. One thing I really think has been over looked in every blog I have read so far… is what has HTML really done for us Web Designers but give us friken headaches. Cross-Browser Compatablity, recently I find myself building websites more and more with flash just to avoid having to write 8 different CSS files just to support 3 main browers and their previous versions.

]]> By: majordan http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2009/05/html5-versus-flash-versions/comment-page-1/#comment-98392 majordan Wed, 17 Jun 2009 05:25:17 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=1854#comment-98392 @Laura <a href="http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/?p=362" rel="nofollow">Thinking About HTML 5 canvas Accessibility</a> <a href="http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/?p=358" rel="nofollow">Adobe Flash and WCAG 2</a> @Laura
Thinking About HTML 5 canvas Accessibility

Adobe Flash and WCAG 2

]]> By: maliboo http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2009/05/html5-versus-flash-versions/comment-page-1/#comment-98350 maliboo Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:35:16 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=1854#comment-98350 I think drag and drop is in Flash since SWF4 (_droptarget property) I think drag and drop is in Flash since SWF4 (_droptarget property)

]]> By: milan http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2009/05/html5-versus-flash-versions/comment-page-1/#comment-98349 milan Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:31:21 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=1854#comment-98349 It's not comparable, flash is web browser plugin. Yeah, there is a lot of html 5 chance to kill flash and it probably will(canvas, video), but that's something we all expected from html after all... so Adobe will have to drive Flash to it's roots (games, advertising), implement gpu 3d rendering and open platform (amf, rtmp,rtmfp) for all that crazy stuff that's not and will ever be possible with html. There will always be stateless and state full web models, even if "web creators" don't thinks so... Flash will survive :) my 0.2 $ It’s not comparable, flash is web browser plugin. Yeah, there is a lot of html 5 chance to kill flash and it probably will(canvas, video), but that’s something we all expected from html after all… so Adobe will have to drive Flash to it’s roots (games, advertising), implement gpu 3d rendering and open platform (amf, rtmp,rtmfp) for all that crazy stuff that’s not and will ever be possible with html. There will always be stateless and state full web models, even if “web creators” don’t thinks so… Flash will survive :)

my 0.2 $

]]> By: brendan http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2009/05/html5-versus-flash-versions/comment-page-1/#comment-98332 brendan Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:07:27 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=1854#comment-98332 @Steffest me being nice: the "open web" is still locked up in proprietary-ish ( at least non-standard ) browsers... so.... me being a jerk: get at me when you don't have to have a logic to detect which browser you are in. Then we are open. big up to Adobe for having the original workaround to IE6 ! thanks for giving me the time to learn how to program cool stuff and not just hack the DOM or crappy browsers! @Steffest

me being nice: the “open web” is still locked up in proprietary-ish ( at least non-standard ) browsers… so….

me being a jerk: get at me when you don’t have to have a logic to detect which browser you are in. Then we are open.

big up to Adobe for having the original workaround to IE6 ! thanks for giving me the time to learn how to program cool stuff and not just hack the DOM or crappy browsers!

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