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	<title>Comments on: Offline is a Small Part of the Apollo Value</title>
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		<title>By: Marc Orchant</title>
		<link>http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2007/06/offline-is-a-small-part-of-the-apollo-value/comment-page-1/#comment-3101</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Orchant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for injecting a little reality into the conversation Ryan. Your point is well taken and a shift away from online-offline as the sole determinant of the value of RIAs is long overdue. As you point out, the big win is a fundamental change in the way we think about application construction, integration, and data portability.

Google Gears notwithstanding, I see what Adobe is doing with AIR as well as approaches like the way Curl leverages the power of the client PC and the currency of data in the cloud to create a different paradigm for accessing, manipulating, and presenting visualizations of data to be the real reason for excitement.

It&#039;s not that online/offline isn&#039;t important for many people â€“ it obviously is. It&#039;s simply not the most important aspect of the emergent RIA space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for injecting a little reality into the conversation Ryan. Your point is well taken and a shift away from online-offline as the sole determinant of the value of RIAs is long overdue. As you point out, the big win is a fundamental change in the way we think about application construction, integration, and data portability.</p>
<p>Google Gears notwithstanding, I see what Adobe is doing with AIR as well as approaches like the way Curl leverages the power of the client PC and the currency of data in the cloud to create a different paradigm for accessing, manipulating, and presenting visualizations of data to be the real reason for excitement.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that online/offline isn&#8217;t important for many people â€“ it obviously is. It&#8217;s simply not the most important aspect of the emergent RIA space.</p>
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		<title>By: RIA pedia - Rich Internet Applications - Its all about the user experience!</title>
		<link>http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2007/06/offline-is-a-small-part-of-the-apollo-value/comment-page-1/#comment-3100</link>
		<dc:creator>RIA pedia - Rich Internet Applications - Its all about the user experience!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;There&#039;s something in the AIR today......&lt;/strong&gt;

There&#039;s a three very big announcements from Adobe today that have really moved the needle forward for RIA developers.
First, a new version of Flex has been released, Flex 3.  You can find Flex Builder 3 and the Flex 3 SDK online for donwload.  Remembe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>There&#8217;s something in the AIR today&#8230;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a three very big announcements from Adobe today that have really moved the needle forward for RIA developers.<br />
First, a new version of Flex has been released, Flex 3.  You can find Flex Builder 3 and the Flex 3 SDK online for donwload.  Remembe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Stewart</title>
		<link>http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2007/06/offline-is-a-small-part-of-the-apollo-value/comment-page-1/#comment-3099</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, I loved this quote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Being a first-class citizen, I can access files on the desktop, make net requests to any site I want, among other things. One of the best side-effects is that it opens the doors to massive integration potential between apps. After all, your OS is the ultimate broker of your data, so now that web apps can talk directly to it, it makes it much easier to get data from one web app talking to another, without the annoying browser single-file downloading/uploading process. The desktop file formats we already use are pretty much standardized in reality anyway and most web apps can export and import between them, so itâ€™s the connection between apps thatâ€™s missing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I haven&#039;t talked enough about the *good* security implications of Apollo and not having to worry about a cross-domain.xml file. That&#039;s a powerful feature for developers.

Kevin, yup, Finetune is one of my favorite examples. And their new version is going to rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, I loved this quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Being a first-class citizen, I can access files on the desktop, make net requests to any site I want, among other things. One of the best side-effects is that it opens the doors to massive integration potential between apps. After all, your OS is the ultimate broker of your data, so now that web apps can talk directly to it, it makes it much easier to get data from one web app talking to another, without the annoying browser single-file downloading/uploading process. The desktop file formats we already use are pretty much standardized in reality anyway and most web apps can export and import between them, so itâ€™s the connection between apps thatâ€™s missing.</p></blockquote>
<p>I haven&#8217;t talked enough about the *good* security implications of Apollo and not having to worry about a cross-domain.xml file. That&#8217;s a powerful feature for developers.</p>
<p>Kevin, yup, Finetune is one of my favorite examples. And their new version is going to rule.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Hoyt</title>
		<link>http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2007/06/offline-is-a-small-part-of-the-apollo-value/comment-page-1/#comment-3098</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Hoyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To your point, Ryan,

I&#039;ve posted a series of &quot;Apollo Beta Sneaks&quot; this past week, as has Danny Dura and Mike Chambers.  Not one involved an offline example.  System icons, custom chrome and native windowing, clipboard and native drag-and-drop and sound.  We didn&#039;t even touch file extensions, native menus, and others (more sneaks for you).  Offline is just a part of what&#039;s enabled by Apollo.  Even further, how offline is Finetune?

To Sam&#039;s idea,

The Apollo native drag-and-drop feature is all about this type of functionality.  To extend your thought however, how about from an Apollo-based Flickr app into Word?  How about &quot;cutting&quot; a picture from Word and &quot;pasting&quot; into Buzzword?

Apollo applications, as desktop applications, should have first-class desktop functionality.  There&#039;s no need to differentiate.  At the end of the day, the fact that an application is running on Apollo should actually be transparent to the user.  How cool is that?

Regards,
Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To your point, Ryan,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve posted a series of &#8220;Apollo Beta Sneaks&#8221; this past week, as has Danny Dura and Mike Chambers.  Not one involved an offline example.  System icons, custom chrome and native windowing, clipboard and native drag-and-drop and sound.  We didn&#8217;t even touch file extensions, native menus, and others (more sneaks for you).  Offline is just a part of what&#8217;s enabled by Apollo.  Even further, how offline is Finetune?</p>
<p>To Sam&#8217;s idea,</p>
<p>The Apollo native drag-and-drop feature is all about this type of functionality.  To extend your thought however, how about from an Apollo-based Flickr app into Word?  How about &#8220;cutting&#8221; a picture from Word and &#8220;pasting&#8221; into Buzzword?</p>
<p>Apollo applications, as desktop applications, should have first-class desktop functionality.  There&#8217;s no need to differentiate.  At the end of the day, the fact that an application is running on Apollo should actually be transparent to the user.  How cool is that?</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Kevin</p>
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		<title>By: Earwig</title>
		<link>http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2007/06/offline-is-a-small-part-of-the-apollo-value/comment-page-1/#comment-3097</link>
		<dc:creator>Earwig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent example of such desktop application with web technologies uses is Google Earth. Am I right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent example of such desktop application with web technologies uses is Google Earth. Am I right?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I was glad to hear someone play down these technologies&#039; angle on bringing computing off-line.  I&#039;ve wondered what all the hype was about.  When are any of us off-line anymore?  I&#039;m sure I don&#039;t appreciate that access may not be so easy to find elsewhere in the country.  But in our larger metropolitan areas, if you want a connection, it&#039;s hard not to be able to find it somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I was glad to hear someone play down these technologies&#8217; angle on bringing computing off-line.  I&#8217;ve wondered what all the hype was about.  When are any of us off-line anymore?  I&#8217;m sure I don&#8217;t appreciate that access may not be so easy to find elsewhere in the country.  But in our larger metropolitan areas, if you want a connection, it&#8217;s hard not to be able to find it somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2007/06/offline-is-a-small-part-of-the-apollo-value/comment-page-1/#comment-3095</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2007 05:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on Ryan. There&#039;s been way too much has been focused on the offline and &#039;breaking out of the browser chrome&#039; aspects of Apollo. The most appealing bit of Apollo to me is that finally web apps become first-class citizens on my desktop, none of the sandboxed behaviour that although needed for browser security, is very limiting.

Being a first-class citizen, I can access files on the desktop, make net requests to any site I want, among other things. One of the best side-effects is that it opens the doors to massive integration potential between apps. After all, your OS is the ultimate broker of your data, so now that web apps can talk directly to it, it makes it much easier to get data from one web app talking to another, without the annoying browser single-file downloading/uploading process. The desktop file formats we already use are pretty much standardized in reality anyway and most web apps can export and import between them, so it&#039;s the connection between apps that&#039;s missing.

I&#039;m not sure how Apollo&#039;s going, but a great example would be if I could drag multiple pictures from the flickr Apollo app or my digital camera&#039;s SD card, directly into the Buzzword Apollo app and have it work as if I just dragged a bunch of pics from a folder into Microsoft Word.

This is stuff that people won&#039;t realise is great until they actually use it and can&#039;t go back to working the way they do now, which is why I suppose, there&#039;s so much confusion and misinformation out there about Apollo - people are only understanding the concepts that they&#039;re familiar with, not the others and how they fit into the big picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on Ryan. There&#8217;s been way too much has been focused on the offline and &#8216;breaking out of the browser chrome&#8217; aspects of Apollo. The most appealing bit of Apollo to me is that finally web apps become first-class citizens on my desktop, none of the sandboxed behaviour that although needed for browser security, is very limiting.</p>
<p>Being a first-class citizen, I can access files on the desktop, make net requests to any site I want, among other things. One of the best side-effects is that it opens the doors to massive integration potential between apps. After all, your OS is the ultimate broker of your data, so now that web apps can talk directly to it, it makes it much easier to get data from one web app talking to another, without the annoying browser single-file downloading/uploading process. The desktop file formats we already use are pretty much standardized in reality anyway and most web apps can export and import between them, so it&#8217;s the connection between apps that&#8217;s missing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how Apollo&#8217;s going, but a great example would be if I could drag multiple pictures from the flickr Apollo app or my digital camera&#8217;s SD card, directly into the Buzzword Apollo app and have it work as if I just dragged a bunch of pics from a folder into Microsoft Word.</p>
<p>This is stuff that people won&#8217;t realise is great until they actually use it and can&#8217;t go back to working the way they do now, which is why I suppose, there&#8217;s so much confusion and misinformation out there about Apollo &#8211; people are only understanding the concepts that they&#8217;re familiar with, not the others and how they fit into the big picture.</p>
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