Comments on: Feeling Out Apollo http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2007/01/feeling-out-apollo/ Just an average guy trying to drink above average beer. Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:20:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: 歼击机 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2007/01/feeling-out-apollo/comment-page-1/#comment-1516 歼击机 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:32:41 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=601#comment-1516 <a href="http://www.perdoor.com/" rel="nofollow">公司注册</a> 公司注册

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]]> By: Wayne Smallman http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2007/01/feeling-out-apollo/comment-page-1/#comment-1514 Wayne Smallman Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:01:34 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=601#comment-1514 Hi Ryan and thanks for linking to my article. Much appreciated. What interests me is how are Microsoft going to respond to all of this. It's clear that Microsoft are now moving into Adobe's backyard, so is this to be proprietary versus openness, or are Microsoft going to play nice? Stuff that just works from a bunch of open technologies pulls people down roads that don't necessarily lead to .Net, which is where Microsoft will want people to be. The coming year should be a interesting spectacle... Hi Ryan and thanks for linking to my article. Much appreciated.

What interests me is how are Microsoft going to respond to all of this.

It’s clear that Microsoft are now moving into Adobe’s backyard, so is this to be proprietary versus openness, or are Microsoft going to play nice?

Stuff that just works from a bunch of open technologies pulls people down roads that don’t necessarily lead to .Net, which is where Microsoft will want people to be.

The coming year should be a interesting spectacle…

]]> By: Ryan Stewart http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2007/01/feeling-out-apollo/comment-page-1/#comment-1513 Ryan Stewart Thu, 04 Jan 2007 06:33:31 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=601#comment-1513 @Mike - I like the thought about web developers pushing boundaries. You're absolutely right. How many of us picked up an HTML book and started from there. That should mean good things. @oz - I'm sorry I haven't subscribed to your blog sooner. That has been fixed. Keep up the good work dude! @Danny - It was a great post, and I used it as more an excuse to talk more about Apollo than anything else. Hopefully you and I can do some more back and forth. @Marlon - Haha, I laughed out loud at your comment on webdevs and good application architecture. That's an EXCELLENT point. I hope we can come up with some good Apollo best practices to help ease the web folks into the desktop. @Mike – I like the thought about web developers pushing boundaries. You’re absolutely right. How many of us picked up an HTML book and started from there. That should mean good things.

@oz – I’m sorry I haven’t subscribed to your blog sooner. That has been fixed. Keep up the good work dude!

@Danny – It was a great post, and I used it as more an excuse to talk more about Apollo than anything else. Hopefully you and I can do some more back and forth.

@Marlon – Haha, I laughed out loud at your comment on webdevs and good application architecture. That’s an EXCELLENT point. I hope we can come up with some good Apollo best practices to help ease the web folks into the desktop.

]]> By: Marlon Smith http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2007/01/feeling-out-apollo/comment-page-1/#comment-1512 Marlon Smith Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:56:36 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=601#comment-1512 I am a developer of web and desktop apps, mostly 3-tier desktop apps for my line-of-business. My only concern is that some webdevs/designers have no clue about good application architecture and OOAD. Overall I look forward to it maybe can clip some good ui concepts. :) I am a developer of web and desktop apps, mostly 3-tier desktop apps for my line-of-business. My only concern is that some webdevs/designers have no clue about good application architecture and OOAD.

Overall I look forward to it maybe can clip some good ui concepts. :)

]]> By: DannyT http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2007/01/feeling-out-apollo/comment-page-1/#comment-1511 DannyT Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:09:55 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=601#comment-1511 hmmm, I think I foolishly took it as a given that Apollo will undoubtedly trigger an influx of web developers to move to desktop, and forgot to state that clearer in the post. Certainly far, far more than the other way around (desktop developers to web). But it will be interesting to watch the rediscovery of existing, discovery of new and re-definition of desktop development practices as the web crowd flock in. Also interesting to see how the traditional desktop devs take to the new boys on their territory :P hmmm, I think I foolishly took it as a given that Apollo will undoubtedly trigger an influx of web developers to move to desktop, and forgot to state that clearer in the post. Certainly far, far more than the other way around (desktop developers to web).

But it will be interesting to watch the rediscovery of existing, discovery of new and re-definition of desktop development practices as the web crowd flock in. Also interesting to see how the traditional desktop devs take to the new boys on their territory :P

]]> By: oz http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2007/01/feeling-out-apollo/comment-page-1/#comment-1510 oz Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:59:44 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=601#comment-1510 I'm a Flash Web Developer and I can't wait to get onto the desktop. About a year ago I started using an ActiveDesktop in XP that was essentially a Flash App that covered my desktop. With that I created a PostIt Notes app that was nice enough but I had to rely on SharedObjects to store data. Of course there are many limitations to that method. With Apollo I'll be able to extend that app and add tons more functionality to it. And since I want to get paid to learn and work with Apollo I'm hoping that, and this is a long shot, I can work on some support apps for Zune - I work for the Xbox team. Wish me luck. I’m a Flash Web Developer and I can’t wait to get onto the desktop. About a year ago I started using an ActiveDesktop in XP that was essentially a Flash App that covered my desktop. With that I created a PostIt Notes app that was nice enough but I had to rely on SharedObjects to store data. Of course there are many limitations to that method. With Apollo I’ll be able to extend that app and add tons more functionality to it.

And since I want to get paid to learn and work with Apollo I’m hoping that, and this is a long shot, I can work on some support apps for Zune – I work for the Xbox team. Wish me luck.

]]> By: Mike Potter http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2007/01/feeling-out-apollo/comment-page-1/#comment-1509 Mike Potter Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:05:43 +0000 http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/?p=601#comment-1509 One point that a lot of people forget is that web developers are, in general, a group that likes to continue pushing boundaries, and learn new things. A lot of people started building out HTML websites, then added dynamic scripting about a decade ago, then learned CSS style sheets, and are now learning Ajax. As you correctly point out, as they realize the limitations of the browser, they'll want to move past them. I also think most web developers have looked at real desktop applications and said "Man, I wish I could build something like that, as opposed to just a website." That's why they've added scripting and programming on the backend etc... Apollo is going to allow them to do what they've always wanted to do: create real, desktop applications, while leveraging their existing skill set and allowing them to learn new things (like creating desktop applications) without having to learn entire new programming languages or models. Mike One point that a lot of people forget is that web developers are, in general, a group that likes to continue pushing boundaries, and learn new things.

A lot of people started building out HTML websites, then added dynamic scripting about a decade ago, then learned CSS style sheets, and are now learning Ajax.

As you correctly point out, as they realize the limitations of the browser, they’ll want to move past them. I also think most web developers have looked at real desktop applications and said “Man, I wish I could build something like that, as opposed to just a website.” That’s why they’ve added scripting and programming on the backend etc…

Apollo is going to allow them to do what they’ve always wanted to do: create real, desktop applications, while leveraging their existing skill set and allowing them to learn new things (like creating desktop applications) without having to learn entire new programming languages or models.

Mike

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