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	<title>Comments on: A W3C Standard for XML-based User Interfaces?</title>
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		<title>By: Ryan Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mark, thanks for leaving the comment. This looks pretty neat so I&#039;m going to check it out more this week. I&#039;ll try and drop you a line so we can talk more about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mark, thanks for leaving the comment. This looks pretty neat so I&#8217;m going to check it out more this week. I&#8217;ll try and drop you a line so we can talk more about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Birbeck</title>
		<link>http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/2007/01/a-w3c-standard-for-xml-based-user-interfaces/comment-page-1/#comment-1667</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Birbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 02:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

As it happens, the &#039;W3C stack&#039; of XHTML, XForms and SVG is already as powerful as languages like XAML, particularly if you throw XBL into the mix. Of course the problem, as always, is that it&#039;s a standard, which means that people can&#039;t quite work out how to make money from it. :) So languages like XAML and MXML will obviously continue to be promoted.

I&#039;ve spent a lot of time showing how XHTML+XForms+SVG+XBL+MathML can be used to create desktop applications, and my company has created a new kind of application framework--called Sidewinder--that makes use of these standards all the way through.

A simple but powerful illustration of the framework (hopefully interesting to you given you&#039;ve written on Flex and Apollo) is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.formsplayer.com/node/529&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sidewinder running Adobe&#039;s Flexstore demo as a desktop application&lt;/a&gt;. As it happens in this case, there is no programming needed, since this &#039;desktop application&#039; can be created via the command-line.

We&#039;ve called this combination of W3C languages &#039;xH&#039;, for want of a name. I &lt;a href=&quot;http://svn.x-port.net/svn/public/presentations/2006-09-17-mb-eurofoo/webapps.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;spoke about it at Euro Foo last year&lt;/a&gt;, as well as writing that it is part of the story to make Ajax easier to program, in &lt;a href=&quot;http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/2006/10/is-it-ajax-ajaxor-xforms.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is it AJAX, Ajax...or XForms&lt;/a&gt;. (There&#039;s also more info on our site: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.formsplayer.com/xh&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;xH: The New Programming Language You Already Know&lt;/a&gt;.)

Regards,

Mark

Mark Birbeck
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>As it happens, the &#8216;W3C stack&#8217; of XHTML, XForms and SVG is already as powerful as languages like XAML, particularly if you throw XBL into the mix. Of course the problem, as always, is that it&#8217;s a standard, which means that people can&#8217;t quite work out how to make money from it. <img src='http://blog.digitalbackcountry.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  So languages like XAML and MXML will obviously continue to be promoted.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent a lot of time showing how XHTML+XForms+SVG+XBL+MathML can be used to create desktop applications, and my company has created a new kind of application framework&#8211;called Sidewinder&#8211;that makes use of these standards all the way through.</p>
<p>A simple but powerful illustration of the framework (hopefully interesting to you given you&#8217;ve written on Flex and Apollo) is <a href="http://www.formsplayer.com/node/529" rel="nofollow">Sidewinder running Adobe&#8217;s Flexstore demo as a desktop application</a>. As it happens in this case, there is no programming needed, since this &#8216;desktop application&#8217; can be created via the command-line.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve called this combination of W3C languages &#8216;xH&#8217;, for want of a name. I <a href="http://svn.x-port.net/svn/public/presentations/2006-09-17-mb-eurofoo/webapps.html" rel="nofollow">spoke about it at Euro Foo last year</a>, as well as writing that it is part of the story to make Ajax easier to program, in <a href="http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/2006/10/is-it-ajax-ajaxor-xforms.html" rel="nofollow">Is it AJAX, Ajax&#8230;or XForms</a>. (There&#8217;s also more info on our site: <a href="http://www.formsplayer.com/xh" rel="nofollow">xH: The New Programming Language You Already Know</a>.)</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Mark</p>
<p>Mark Birbeck<br />
w: <a href="http://www.formsPlayer.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.formsPlayer.com/</a><br />
b: <a href="http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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