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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Our argument wasn&#039;t you should not charge for your IDE, but that it would help spread adoption and usage if there were a free version like many others that developers have become accustomed to (see JBuilder, etc).  You could then charge for &quot;premium&quot; versions.  By charging for your IDE a few hundred dollars, you are turning away many developers who would give it a serious try, thus making adoption much slower.  There are too many other great frameworks available other than Flex that satisfy the same requirements at a much lower cost.

We are just arguing that beyond the Adobe community it does not seem to be spreading as fast as Adobe and evangilists like Ryan would like and we believe that is because of the cost barrier for the IDE.  Building a Flex app in Notepad is almost as bad as trying to build a Swing app in Notepad (although not quite).

I say go ahead and charge as much as you want because yes, you did pay to develop it and it is a good tool, however, just be aware that will turn off a lot of new potential customers and adopters who can get the same benefit with a free framework and a free IDE Eclipse.

On a side note, I do think its ridiculous to charge for a plugin to Eclipse.  Eclipse is free as are most of the great plugins.  I&#039;d rather pay the same price for a separate IDE for Flex than for an Eclipse plugin.  Seems like I&#039;m getting ripped off somehow that way.  Again, just my opinion which really doesn&#039;t matter because I&#039;m one person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Our argument wasn&#8217;t you should not charge for your IDE, but that it would help spread adoption and usage if there were a free version like many others that developers have become accustomed to (see JBuilder, etc).  You could then charge for &#8220;premium&#8221; versions.  By charging for your IDE a few hundred dollars, you are turning away many developers who would give it a serious try, thus making adoption much slower.  There are too many other great frameworks available other than Flex that satisfy the same requirements at a much lower cost.</p>
<p>We are just arguing that beyond the Adobe community it does not seem to be spreading as fast as Adobe and evangilists like Ryan would like and we believe that is because of the cost barrier for the IDE.  Building a Flex app in Notepad is almost as bad as trying to build a Swing app in Notepad (although not quite).</p>
<p>I say go ahead and charge as much as you want because yes, you did pay to develop it and it is a good tool, however, just be aware that will turn off a lot of new potential customers and adopters who can get the same benefit with a free framework and a free IDE Eclipse.</p>
<p>On a side note, I do think its ridiculous to charge for a plugin to Eclipse.  Eclipse is free as are most of the great plugins.  I&#8217;d rather pay the same price for a separate IDE for Flex than for an Eclipse plugin.  Seems like I&#8217;m getting ripped off somehow that way.  Again, just my opinion which really doesn&#8217;t matter because I&#8217;m one person.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dowdell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dowdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 06:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;I really believe Flex isnâ€™t catching on because the IDE is not free. &quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Adobe Flex 2 is seeing quite rapid acceptance.

The deployed Player is free to use, as are the Flex 2 SDK and its compiler. Adobe paid to develop this, and gave it away for anyone to use. Anyone can build with Flex, for free. There are optional development and server tools built atop this free-to-everyone platform.

What I hear you saying is &quot;Nothing should be available for any cash transaction, except maybe for support services&quot;. Can you clarify further...?

tx, jd/adobe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;I really believe Flex isnâ€™t catching on because the IDE is not free. &#8220;</em></p>
<p>Adobe Flex 2 is seeing quite rapid acceptance.</p>
<p>The deployed Player is free to use, as are the Flex 2 SDK and its compiler. Adobe paid to develop this, and gave it away for anyone to use. Anyone can build with Flex, for free. There are optional development and server tools built atop this free-to-everyone platform.</p>
<p>What I hear you saying is &#8220;Nothing should be available for any cash transaction, except maybe for support services&#8221;. Can you clarify further&#8230;?</p>
<p>tx, jd/adobe</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Munson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Munson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Dec 2006 04:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JB,

Couldn&#039;t have said it better myself.

Look at some of the most successful software in the history of computers, and almost always there&#039;s one common denominator.  You could get a version for free.  Doom brought the FPS to the masses by being shareware.  Microsoft obtained a monopoly in the browser market by giving IE away for free.  Apache has been and continues to be the most popular web server, and it&#039;s free.  ColdFusion was the first web scripting language to do everything that it does, but it has never been very popular, because it&#039;s not free (perl and then PHP/ASP quickly took over that market).  There are countless other examples.

Yes, I do know there is popular software that is not free (Photoshop, Windows, etc.), but to take over a market and/or break into a market, you almost always have to compete on price.  I fear that Adobe will never understand this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JB,</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself.</p>
<p>Look at some of the most successful software in the history of computers, and almost always there&#8217;s one common denominator.  You could get a version for free.  Doom brought the FPS to the masses by being shareware.  Microsoft obtained a monopoly in the browser market by giving IE away for free.  Apache has been and continues to be the most popular web server, and it&#8217;s free.  ColdFusion was the first web scripting language to do everything that it does, but it has never been very popular, because it&#8217;s not free (perl and then PHP/ASP quickly took over that market).  There are countless other examples.</p>
<p>Yes, I do know there is popular software that is not free (Photoshop, Windows, etc.), but to take over a market and/or break into a market, you almost always have to compete on price.  I fear that Adobe will never understand this.</p>
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